Blind Woman Tasered by Dayton Police

I've seen someone use the term peace officer. Police officers are there to police, watch, and punish the people for breaking laws. If they were interested in Peace....they'd be tasering Bush, Cheney, etc. Having confidence in a force more powerful than yourself leaves you frightened, because more often than not...they will take advantage of you.

You live in a fantasy world. The cops are too lazy to do any computer checks. Where is the database that tells them who lives at what address? If there were such a database it would be a total invasion of privacy. The cops are not even supposed to access the NCIS (National Crimes Information Service) without a completely valid reason. They are NOT supposed to just do random checks on people.

Where did anyone think that the cops have a ready database of who is living at a given address? The public record gives the owner of a property but it does NOT have the names of who is living at a given address and it should not. When we are an official police state, that WILL be the case.

Roger that Dr. Know. So true it is that of which you speak. We are screwed...it's just a matter of time.

Dr. Know,

It's called a phone book.

Not if you pay extra NOT to have it listed. Look in your phone book. There are much fewer addressed in them for good reason.

In which case there are numerous other common resources in which to look.  There are internet search sites and public records.  In this day and age ordinary citizens have the ability to track down home addresses.  What makes you think that police officers shouldn't be able to?

If you read back, I said that the cops were too lazy. I never said they should not be able to.

"If there were such a database it would be a total invasion of privacy. The cops are not even supposed to access the NCIS (National Crimes Information Service) without a completely valid reason."

I suppose you are making a differentiation between who lives at an address and who owns the building at an address.  In the pursuit of a felon, there are a lot of tools available to the police.  I don't see how it becomes an invasion of privacy for them to use them.

It becomes an invasion of privacy to enter the home of a relative of a criminal without knowledge of the felon being present. There have been cases where an anonymous caller has erroneously told the cops someone was at resident.

"i totally see it in my mind's eye how it went down in the beginning. " ~9.1

And that is the problem. You have a biased view and you don't know the facts. That is how media news operates in order to start a debate or crisis.

What threat constituting a serious thread to the life and well being of a "well trained" police officer can a blind woman generate?

If she started swinging all they had to do was step back and laugh.

You haven't ever been around a blind person before, have you?  Within their own home they know how to move around without tripping.  Secondary, they know where you are.  I think even you would be able to punch someone in the face if they were standing in front of you talking. 

My daughter in law was blind from diabetes. She lived in my home with me until she died. I have her ashes in an urn in front of me. You seem to be prone to making all kinds of assumptions.

Your point is significant. She was in her OWN home. SHE was not suspected of commiting any crime. They did not have a warrant to enter her home. They had not been in hot pursuit. They were fishing for her son. The most ridiculous statement is that by the sergeant that said she should have told them she was afraid of the police. Name one black person in the projects that is not already afraid of the cops.

Now you are making assumptions.  the exact quote says "Sgt. Anderson said that not only was her opening the door a voluntary act but that she should have told the officers she was scared. "

Lets go over this point by point:

1.  She opened her door voluntarily.  If she was afraid of them, she wouldn't have opened the door.  If she thought they weren't really police, she wouldn't have opened the door.  Unless police had a warrant, she didn't have to open the door. 

2.  He wasn't saying she should have said,"I'm scared of the police," but rather ,"I'm scared," or,"I've been robbed by people posing as police officers."  These simple statements would have informed the police of the underlying situation and allowed them to take appropriate action. 

3.  She wasn't suspected of committing any crime.  Her son was.  Relatives sometimes harbor kin that are fugitives.  Hence why they were at her house.  Most people when they rob someone (the son) do it with a weapon.  Therefore, they are entering into an environment which could become hostile at any moment. 

I'm sorry for your loss.  I have lost a child as well.  No one should have to outlive their child. 

Sgt. Anderson was not at the scene. He is the public information officer paid to spin things to the advantage of the people he works for.

You admit that she was not suspected of committing any crime. Why was she tasered? Why was she threatened at all? Upon what authority does a cop have the right to tell you to end a phone call?

Since she is blind she likely had to open the door slightly to ask who was there while she was on the phone. The cops pushed the door open and insisted she get off the phone because they had chosen that moment to go to her residence.

If you open your door does that constitute an invitation to come into your home?

"Since she is blind she likely had to open the door slightly to ask who was there while she was on the phone. The cops pushed the door open and insisted she get off the phone because they had chosen that moment to go to her residence."

OK, you make the assumption that they breached her house when they opened the door.  Why couldn't she have called through the door? She didn't have a chain latch?  Two relatively simple and obvious solutions for a blind person who is "scared" of opening her door to strangers.

She was on the phone at the time. That is made clear. I can hardly hear anything through my door if it is completely quiet. Have you ever seen the "announcements" the cops make on the COPS program. They are smashing the door AS they make their 'announcement'. If a TV is on I would not hear anyone at any of my doors.

I agree with you Dr Know.
And Todd. Why should she have chains on her door? Shouldn't one feel safe in their own home without the cops banging down their door. Oh and by the way I was pulled up by the pigs again yesterday afternoon. And do you want to know what for? Nothing. They took a pic of the bloke I was with, they came out of nowhere 3 doors down from my home. We never even heard them. It was almost like they were lying in wait. Now I'd like to know what the hell they were doing outside my home? Oh and I'd also like to know why they stopped us too? They told the guy I was with he had nice calves. Now isn't that the biggest load of bollocks you've ever heard? Seriously. And these 2 cops were men by the way. They already knew me, but what was there damn interest in me mate. Oh yeah now I know. He's never been seen with me before.

Why would there be chains on her door?  She had mentioned that she had been robbed before.  Most people when they are robbed take security precautions.  Sorry the cops are bothering you, Sedekka.  Sounds like they have a real bug up their tush about you for some reason. 

Dr Know,

Yes, they are smashing in the door because they have a warrant.  Most people that are committing illicit activities attempt to get rid of the evidence when the police knock on the door.  The police attempt to stop that from happening.  You know, things like flushing the drugs or throwing the gun into the neighbor's yard?

Why the sham of "announcing"? It is not like they WANT you to come to the door. They prefer that you do not. If you ever wonder why people do not trust the "Justice" system just look at that big lie. They "announce" with no intention of giving anyone time to respond. Why announce? Why not do what they are going to do anyway? All it proves is that you cannot believe or trust ANYTHING a cop tells you.

In this case they did NOT have a warrant. It was a warrantless invasion of the woman's home.

They announce so that the person inside knows that it is the police as opposed to an armed robber breaking down the door.  It is also part of the law.  It prevents police officers from being shot. 

It wasn't an invasion of her home.  She invited them in. 

They "announce" to just follow the sham protocol. You cannot hear what is being said clearly from the other side of the door much less in a room with a TV on. You are clearly an apologist for any and all police activity. In your world, no cop ever does anything wrong.

If she did invite them in, what right did they have to insist that she hang the phone up?

Do your 'guests' have the right to limit your actions in your home?

"You are clearly an apologist for any and all police activity. In your world, no cop ever does anything wrong."

You are clearly a conspiracy theorist who thinks police only ever do wrong.  Perhaps you should become an officer and reform them through good deeds rather than mocking concepts and a profession you seem to know little about. 

Tell you what.  I'll go look for more information on the case.  You do so as well.  Once more facts are presented, I'm sure that you will be proven right.

So far I found Denise was charged twice previous to this.  She was charged with reckless driving and interfering with custody.  The 2nd set of charges were dropped.  In addition, the charges of resisting arrest (the ones above) were withdrawn.  This information was found in the Dayton Clerk of Court website.  I didn't see a way to veiw the complaint for specifics.  I was also unable to find a civil case filed by her against the police department (suing for damages). 

But you don't see all the fruits of what the law-abiding cops do, do you?  That is part of status quo and doesn't get media attention.  Denouncing an institution because you have experienced a bad seed doesn't really fly either.  I have "experience" as well and consider that the job they do for the pay they get is admirable.  I've also worked with prison guards and know what they go through. 

So, what are your thoughts on how to change this travesty?  What policies or laws would you have put in place? (This is an attempt to go the next step rather than continue with a "who has more experience debate")

Well, they have paperwork to fill out and it has to SOUND good when you write this crap down. Had to have a REASON to Tase the lady. Thus the charges. Typical situation for sure.

looking for info. No. Alas I'm Australian. But I would certainly be most interested. Ask 3kylaw or Sgt. Ironhorse. One of those 2 would surely know. If not. They'd cetainly be able to find out.

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officer smith later sued the police department and the dayton daily news because they released his medical records showing he was also mentally unstable

We the public who pay for police services should know the mental state of every police officer..Christ you wouldn't want be confronted by a raving lunatic would you? And why was he in the police force..anyone who has a mental illness should not be a public servant...especially one that requires you to carry a firearm

What the hell was a cop with a mental problem doing on the force in the first place? Aren't these guys suppose to be rigorously tested for everything??? Come on! this is ridiculous!

Dijits. Lucky you on holiday. Don't do it again! Unless I can come with you of course!!! Oh my. The 2 of us would have a blast and the probably get arrested for laughing too loud. Great to see you back dear friend.