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Coroner: Taser did not cause man's death

Seeded on Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:17 AM EDT
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Not the Tasering but the Handcuffing claims Coroner

The Shawnee County Coroner's Office on Tuesday called the recent death of a Lawrence man accidental and said it was not caused by use of a Taser stun gun.

Walter E. Haake Jr., 59, died last month after an altercation with Shawnee County Sheriff's officers at Topeka's Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. plant.

In a released statement, Coroner Erik Mitchell said Haake's death was accidental.

In a released statement on Newsvine, Digits said, "Well I would hope it not take a coroner to explain that the police over there in Lawrence, Kansas do not have authority to kill purposefully in the first place."

And in an uncharacteristic moment of sarcasm, she uttered under her breath, "Thank god the coroner let us know that the police didn't mean to kill Mr. Haake."

"The cause of death is of cardiac nature, with contribution by compression of the torso," the report said. Mitchell was unavailable for comment Tuesday evening.

Haake had a history of cardiac disease and diabetes mellitus, according to the coroner's release. And the positioning of his body at the time of death also was a contributing factor, Mitchell found.

"Haake died while held face down on the ground and as handcuffs were applied," the release said. "Sudden death occasionally results from positional mechanisms and from cardiac mechanisms when persons are held in the position described."

Did that guy just attempt to word salad?

Mitchell reviewed witness statements and audio from an in-car monitor and determined Haake was alive after being stunned with a Taser to his left thigh and right arm. He reported there were no internal injuries that contributed to Haake's death.

The deputies had arrived at the plant after 11 p.m. March 29, responding to a medical call. The plant's security had attempted to prevent Haake from leaving the plant because they didn't think he could drive safely. The sheriff's office has reported that Haake was uncooperative, and he was stunned with a Taser three times.

To Summarize: Mr. Haake, aged 59, was uncooperative. Hence the tasering 3 times. That did not cause his death. But rather his death was caused by his *positioning mechanisms* and "cardiac mechanisms* whereupon the handcuffs were put on him while in a certain position. -- At least according to Shawnee County Coroner Erik Mitchell.

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"Haake died while held face down on the ground and as handcuffs were applied," the release said. "Sudden death occasionally results from positional mechanisms and from cardiac mechanisms when persons are held in the position described."

Word Salad

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:25 AM EDT
Tedd Riggs

Haake had a history of cardiac disease and diabetes mellitus,

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Mr. Haake, aged 59, was uncooperative. Hence the tasering 3 times

=duh ! Rather common side effect guys....

his death was caused by his *positioning mechanisms* and "cardiac mechanisms*

the handcuffs were put on him while in a certain position

Like....We have to put them on the right way and even read the instructions ?

Did any of these dumbo's even think about the fact that this guy already had a heart condition and Compression of the chest alone could be fatal for him ?

Interesting they seemed to forget about his bruised head as he fell. That was a big point in the first article.

For this poor guys family, I hope some major media picks this one up and gets it to the outside world past Kansas. This is just to hard to even believe what these people are saying.

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:12 PM EDT
Digits

Tedd, Perhaps if law enforcement approached everyone as if they were *fragile* [you know...like many of us are] then they would not be so quick to taser.

But hey.

Who needs to do that when there's always a coroner standing by to say it wasn't the tasers fault? Or even the police's *fault* for that matter? And have you ever noticed that as long as people are busy covering their singular existence that the truth can never seem to come to light in order to make a responsible decision based in truth?

But were it not for the actions of the police would he still be here? That seems to me to be the only thing any family would need to prove in a civil suit in order to recompense for a wrongful death.

That's right. But Taser International would not be held liable.

For this poor guys family, I hope some major media picks this one up and gets it to the outside world past Kansas. This is just to hard to even believe what these people are saying.

Tap. Tap. Tap. Is anyone there? World? You still asleep?

  • 4 votes
#1.2 - Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:14 PM EDT
Wheel

The ACLU in N.C. is trying to do something.

"Stun Gun" instead of "Taser" in the headline.

Not trying to highjack your thread, delete this if you like.

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:57 PM EDT
Tedd Riggs

What these people get away with is just hard to grasp.

  • 3 votes
#1.4 - Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:04 PM EDT
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Tedd Riggs

opps double post...

  • 1 vote
Reply#2 - Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:12 PM EDT
Digits

I just found Mr. Haake's online obituary. It's made even more sad when we see and comprehend this was a real person with a real life in a real place with real loved ones and not just some faceless name in a news article.

W. Edward Haake Jr., age 59, of Lawrence, passed away Sunday, March 30, 2008 in Topeka. He was born December 12, 1948 in Kansas City, MO the son of Walter E. Haake Sr. and Mary Louise Stubbs Haake.

  • 2 votes
Reply#3 - Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:19 PM EDT
Wheel

first thing, another autopsy. Very first thing

  • 2 votes
Reply#4 - Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:54 PM EDT
Digits

How could the family do this? Can a person do that? Really? I never knew.

  • 2 votes
#4.1 - Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:28 PM EDT
Wheel

Yes, the family can call for an independent autopsy, and in this case I certainly would.

  • 2 votes
#4.2 - Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:15 PM EDT
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